I wonder how the ancient Spartans would answer this question...
Glagla's expressive comment about "grow some balls" and about "cultural-religious society" got me thinking. "Grow some balls" is a phrase that revolves around taking risks, and thereby being "courageous", and not about physical endurance to pain, although if you look at it sideways, it could suggest that too. Being courageous isn't about when you know you can win a fight, war, or the affection of a love interest. It's when you either think, or more importantly "know" you can't win. Who is the more practical, accommodating, stable sex? Women (you might knee jerk or say women are, historically, the more unstable sex, prone to histrionics and emotional bipolar, but who is it that cares more about the safety and security of the home (where children will abide)? The woman). Now, conversely, who is it that prompts a husband to "take a chance", or risk? The wife. There's probably something more to that, but I don't want to go down that road. The point is that men are risk takers. Having sensitive, tender, vulnerable genitalia outside the body seems to embody the idea that proves men are risk takers (otherwise they'd stay at home, forever protecting their sensitive, tender, vulnerable balls).
The next concept put forth is that "the current cultural-religious society view having been forced upon us that a man should act dominantly to be a 'man'." (might I mention I'm an atheist, and am only discussing religion from a cultural/historic point of view) This is interesting as mostly this typically revolves around judeo/christian presumptions. Presumptions because Christianity took root primarily in the Roman territories and after that took off like wildfire (it also took root in Greece (first), but that didn't spread as readily). This is important to note because the Romans were primarily a patriarchal society, whereas Judaism is actually a matriarchal society. In Hebrew, they don't consider God to be "the father" because God isn't a "he" (nor "she"), but a spirit (sort of. It's confusing and still hotly debated). This confuseled Romans who were used to Zeus being the "male god who ruled the roost of the heavens. For there to be a sexually ambiguous "god" turned early Roman Christians upside-down (humorous to me, as Ancient Rome was the primary place where sexual ambiguity was primary in culture (as well as homosexuality)). Regardless, the mother is the primary parent in Jewish culture, whereas the father and men are the primary person in Roman culture. A mental shift in religion was made to get early Romans to sign on to Judeo/christian beliefs, and thereby God became a male and all subsequent religious methodologies are male dominant. Now, you might say Roman Mythology is still a religion, and thereby proving the concept that religious/social doctrine is what forces us to conceive males are supposed to be dominant, and therefore the constructs that society is based off of. If so, I'd let that go.
Anyways, thinking of Ancient Romans, got me thinking about Sparta. A lot of conjecture about Spartans are based on Athenian perceptions about Sparta, and Athens had a love/hate regard for Spartans. Regardless, arguably, the most "manly" culture from the ancient world would be Sparta, and Spartans were largely (the first?) equal society that gave equal if not more rights to women (women owned the house and men stayed there occasionally). So, and to weave this back to the topical discussion, given the "alpha" maleness of Spartan society, I was wondering how would they look upon of a male sexual submissive?
It's complete conjecture as Sparta (which is based on a woman's name) didn't keep documents and records of their social history.
I think they wouldn't look down on a man for being submissive to a woman in a sexual context, but they might look down on a man being submissive to another man.
For the record, I really take exception to human perception about the psychology about "alphas" as wolves are our basis about such perceptions, but the trouble is that Alpha (ironically, based on Greek letters) wolves don't go after beta wolves, but other alpha wolves. Beta wolves, go after beta wolves, and while they are secondary to the alphas, it has nothing to do with being submissive by nature, as beta wolves run the pack while the alphas are out patrolling.
So I guess the question really should be, is a male submissive, submissive by nature? |