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blimp
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#21 | Posted: 12 Jan 2012 09:43
mati:
The truth is most kids are rotten, even well spanked ones,


You can't possibly mean that surely!! My own were always great company. All those endless games of football, cricket, table tennis, penny nap, Cluedo, Monopoly, chess, Chinese Chequers!! The problems begin when they become teenagers and wont play with you anymore!!

mati
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Germany
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#22 | Posted: 12 Jan 2012 11:22
blimp:
You can't possibly mean that surely!!

No! I quoted this sentence from IslandCarol, because I don't agree with it at all! My own kids (even as teenagers) were always great company too and also all their friends. My experience is surely that real kids and teens are much nicer than the fictional ones in this library and not half as rotten as I was myself when I was young.

victoria2
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USA
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#23 | Posted: 12 Jan 2012 11:30
Here in Florida she can get a really high paying job dressed like that. Well not quite like that as she does have on too many clothes for those jobs here. We have several gentlemen's clubs where she would fit right in. As far as the problem with how she is dressed goes look at her parents. Her mother must condone that type of dress or else she would not be wearing it. The worst thing about all of this is if she gets molested or raped because she dresses like that then the law enforcement people will want to put the guy in jail. These kids today know there is no consequence for their actions, that is why they act as they do.

blimp
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England
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#24 | Posted: 12 Jan 2012 13:12
victoria2:
The worst thing about all of this is if she gets molested or raped because she dresses like that then the law enforcement people will want to put the guy in jail.

If we take what you say to it's logical conclusion Victoria, young women must dress conservatively in case someone rapes or molests them!!!? You don't see men as responsible for their own actions at all then? I think people should have the freedom to dress as they choose without any fear of being raped or molested. If a man is unable to control his sex drive to the extent he presents a threat to young women (however dressed) he must be locked up, otherwise we might as well go back to living in caves!

Redskinluver
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USA
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#25 | Posted: 12 Jan 2012 13:58
This has gotten quite aways from the quesdtion of whether this photo should have been in a yearbook to the debate on appropriate dress in general.
I give people enough credit to know that they shouldnt wear to a job interview what they would wear to a party or the beach. Most of them anyway.
Obviously fashions and standards of dress change. Time was when most men wore a coat and tie almost everywhere in public, even to a baseball game. Now it seems anything goes. The ideal is that dress be appropriate for the setting or the occasion. I'm a jeans, flannel shirt, tees, casual sort of guy myself. But I have more formal duds in my closet should an occasion call for it. Though usually I have little or no interest in attending dress-up events anyhow. But there are things like funerals, court appearances for jury duty, bank business , that I do want to wear a jacket , tie, and dress pants.
One thing that steams me though is hearing those my age who grew up in the day of mini-skirts and hotpants, and in the case of women, wore them themselves, criticize young women's fashion of today. They forget in the 60s teachers sometimes measured skirt lengths(not to mention the heated debate over the length of guys' hair).
I try not to be judgmental about the tattos, piercings, hairstyles, etc of todays young, even the more freaky Goth and punk element. After all, they though us 'hippie freaks" outrageous way back when.
There is one though I cannot say anything good about-the drooping, very baggy pants on guys. I can understand someone wanting to look sexy, show off his or her body. But not look like a clown from a two-bit circus. I understand its part of the rap or hiphop culture. I won't even go there as to what I think of the gibberish and monkeyjabber of that type of "music." Give me good old rock and roll and soul and country any day!

bendover
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USA
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#26 | Posted: 12 Jan 2012 18:14
I agree Redskinluver with a lot here. I'll go back to the beginning where I first posted. This is a girl who got everything she wanted from mommy and daddy. Her motto is "Look at me, I'm IT!" Yes, she's pretty. However, she was probably in a clique at school and a snob to a lot of other girls and boys. The Most Popular type.

Once again, I blame this on the Board of Education and the Schools for letting these kids go to school looking the way they do. Oh, you're so right. Give me good old Rock and Roll, Country, and Soul.

I'm sorry I opened a can of worms here. I just had to give my opinion on it. I'm guilty of being old fashioned, but I'm also guilty of being respectful to myself and others in the way I look and act. It was the WAY I was brought up.

B

CrimsonKidCK
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#27 | Posted: 13 Jan 2012 02:10
beth83:
I sincerely doubt her school dress code would allow her to come to school attired as she is in the picture. As far as cheerleaders are concerned, the ones in my district would also not be allowed to show a bare midriff like she is showing. Since far too many parents seem to have abdicated the responsibility of teaching their children about appropriate time and place to do things, wear things, or say things, unfortunately that job has fallen on the schools. Sometime down the road, this young lady may wish to have a responsible job with a responsible company. If she shows up for the interview like that, she's not going to get hired at most places, and not too many places will allow her to wear such an outfit on the job, unless her goal is to work in a gentlemen's club or similar establishment.

IMHO it's not the function of the public school system to become a 'surrogate parent' to children, they way that it did so in the old Soviet Union. Currently, public schools have been provided with neither the authority nor the resources to resolve deep-seated social problems, yet many people--especially state legislators and government bureaucrats--claim that dealing with overarching societal defects is basically the sole responsibility of public schools.

Since dealing with this critical social crisis is a complex, expensive and difficult challenge, politicians don't want the government in general (at any level) to have to do so, hence they describe the dysfunctionality within the urban underclass as exclusively 'an educational issue': "If only we had better public schools, we wouldn't have most of these problems." AFAIC struggling school districts are more the victims of societal collapse than the causes of it, because students are frequently sent to school lacking self-discipline, decent manners, respect for authority and especially educational efficacy (the concept that economic and personal success is directly related to one's education level).

While I believe that the young lady's photograph is inappropriate for a formal yearbook picture, I'd opine that its extreme informality doesn't necessarily mean she couldn't dress appropriately for a job interview... --C.K.

beth83
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USA
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#28 | Posted: 13 Jan 2012 02:37
CrimsonKidCK:
AFAIC struggling school districts are more the victims of societal collapse than the causes of it, because students are frequently sent to school lacking self-discipline, decent manners, respect for authority

Were you a fly on the wall in my school today???

Redskinluver
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USA
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#29 | Posted: 13 Jan 2012 13:51
The last couple comments by Beth and CK echo my own feelings about schools today. Our schools are a reflection of our society and its problems and issues. That is why I am very skeptical and opposed to the idea that there is some sort of one-shot magical solution to the problems in our schools. Whether it be school uniforms or strict dress codes,school prayer or corporal punishment.
What we should be concerned about is what is inside our young people's heads, not what is on their bodies.
I live in a town with one of the most highly ranked universities in the country. In warm weather the female students are walking around campus, going to class, wearing shorts, often quite short ones. Or short skirts.Yet no one says that it is causing any kind of a problem in the classroom. They continue to excell in atheletics and academics. And I would be willing to bet everyone of these young women would dress up for an interview pertaining to a job after graduation.
As for the girl in the picture, many seem to assume she is a spoiled, snobby brat. Come on, does anyone know her personally? Being pretty does not mean being not nice. Maybe she doesn't even wear that outfit to class, just wanted it as a fun peicture in the yearbook to express herself.
Agree its not suitable for a formal senior portrait, but if there were a section for candid or casual photos in the book, it would be okay.
And after all we know school adminstrators are often an uptight lot, think of Principal Snyder of Buffy the Vampire Slayer!

barcelona
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USA
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#30 | Posted: 13 Jan 2012 19:14
I don't think it is so much what she is wearing, as the pose she is striking. It appears that she wanted this to be a sexy photo...not just a high school yearbook picture. If she was using this as a photo to get a modeling job...I could see it. But I don't think this is really year book material.

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