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njrick
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#51 | Posted: 6 Feb 2011 21:15
Linda:
Twenty lashes with a wet noodle for me for even thinking such a thing!

Not exactly what I was thinking of....


BTW, DannyS - I DO agree with Linda that you're doing fine! Keep writing, and keep commenting!

Linda
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#52 | Posted: 6 Feb 2011 21:19
DannySwottem5:
I`ve never heard of a past participle until now.

Exactly my point, Danny. It doesn't matter - you can still use them in the right places, and you do.

And thanks for the appreciation. (Appreciation in the shape of bottles of port, sherry, Baileys Irish Cream and malt whisky sent to me, Pink and Flopsy, is always welcome too! *lol*)

If you really want to know what a past participle is, which I'm sure you don't, then send me a pop up.

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#53 | Posted: 6 Feb 2011 21:20
njrick:
Not exactly what I was thinking of....

Hmmm ... and you were thinking of ... what?

flopsybunny
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#54 | Posted: 6 Feb 2011 21:23
Knowing njrick, I bet he was thinking about his dangling participle

njrick
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#55 | Posted: 6 Feb 2011 21:38
Linda:
If you really want to know what a participle is, which I'm sure you don't, then send me a pop up.

flopsybunny:
Knowing njrick, I bet he was thinking about his dangling participle

[asking innocently] So what's a dangling participle have to do with a pop-up

blimp
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#56 | Posted: 6 Feb 2011 22:42
njrick:
dangling participle

Get Dr Febs to remove the ghastly thing at once. What about split infinitives are they still frowned upon too? I must admit to being guilty of a few grammatical errors through ignorance. I am someone who uses instinct rather than knowledge when it comes to language. Instinct, like "gut feeling" cannot always be relied upon.

Linda
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#57 | Posted: 6 Feb 2011 22:51
blimp:
What about split infinitives are they still frowned upon too?

I don't think so. I believe it was originally frowned upon because some of the 'rules' of English grammar were based on Latin grammar, and of course you couldn't split a Latin infinitive since it was only one word, just as the infinitives in French and German, and probably many other languages.

So go ahead. If you want 'to boldly go' then don't let any old pedant stop you!

blimp
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#58 | Posted: 6 Feb 2011 23:05
Thanks, it is better than going boldly!

cfpub
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#59 | Posted: 6 Feb 2011 23:33
DANGER - SERIOUS LANGUAGE GEEKINESS AHEAD! READ AT YOUR OW RISK.

Linda,

Interesting observation on English vs German. It drove me to Google translator with the result that German and Dutch seem to rely entirely on a suffix to mark the infinitive while the Scandinavian languages, Swedish, Danish, and Norwegian seem to be like English in marking the infinitive with a particle although the data from Norwegian was unclear in my 20 seconds or so of investigation.

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#60 | Posted: 7 Feb 2011 22:05
Goodgulf:
The next step is (of course) reading. As in you see how others treat the English language and begin to borrow from them. You copy their turns of phrases until you have the confidence to coin your phrases. You see how they structure sentences and gain a practical understanding of how to write.

I agree very much with this, though it may not be the next step so much as it was the first step. And the borrowing and imitating of usages and sentence structures happen, I think, largely unconsciously (except, obviously, where they don't) ... the more words and constructions you have stored in your mind, through years of reading, the more easily and confidently your own writing flows.

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