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tysout
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Scotland
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#11 | Posted: 17 May 2013 01:58
AlanBarr:
It's lucky you're not running this library or our freedom of speech would be seriously curtailed!

Trust me AB your freedom of speech is already curtailed, not by me, but by the powers that be.
Can you really condone the writing of a spanking story connected with a raid where 133 men flew to Germany to bomb dams and 53 were killed along with 1600 civilians and 600 forced labourers?
If your answer to that is yes, then I fear we're all going to hell in a handcart!

JessicaK
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Canada
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#12 | Posted: 17 May 2013 02:11
tysout:
I fear we're all going to hell in a handcart!

I gather they serve excellent barbecue there.

There is nothing more intrinsically offensive about the OP's suggestion than there is about any fiction (romantic, erotic, fetish or mainstream) that is set in, or invokes, war, colonial expansion, disease, poverty, or any other part of the smorgasbord of human history, much of which involves human suffering. If you want to condemn all such writing, well best of luck to you. As for me, I'm far more irked by sanctimony.

Après moi le déluge!

Off to raise a glass to Martin Robin, departed family friend, English teacher and Dambusters air crew. Thanks for the post, Erik, I'd have missed this otherwise, I fear.

tysout
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Scotland
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#13 | Posted: 17 May 2013 02:55
JessicaK:
Après moi le déluge!

Very erudite but not quite thought through.
If you condemn me for expressing my thoughts and beliefs, are you not committing the same sin that you are accusing me of?
If I now retract my earlier statement and others follow suit then I feel compelled to say 'Après moi le déluge'
Freedom of speech is an illusion.
Self censorship, is the only control that man/womankind can freely exercise.
I'm not stopping anybody writing spanking fiction about the Dambuster's raid or for that matter the Concentration Camps or even the Boston Marathon bombing.
I'm just saying that some subjects are, perhaps, not appropriate.
And in my opinion, and it is only my opinion, this WW2 operation is one of them.
And as for sanctimonious, I would say this, Physician, heal thyself.

smeple
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USA
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#14 | Posted: 17 May 2013 05:26
tysout:
I must confess to wishing Helga would take me in hand.

I never saw or knew anything about "'Allo 'Allo," but I did see just about every episode of Hogan's Heroes over the course of its run, and in repeats. There was a "Helga" in HH too - perhaps Gen. Burkhalder's secretary?) She was blond, attractive, and attracted TO Hogan, when she could get away from the prying eyes of her German Commandant. I wonder if it is just a coincidence of a common female German name, or if one of the two shows took the concept of "Helga" from the other?

There have been a number of American TV comedies about war: To name a few: McHale's Navy, F-Troop and HH on the broader side, and M.A.S.H. on the slightly more serious side (which didn't stop it from being very funny). I watched all of them, and though, as Tysout says, sometimes there was a little part of me which felt a little guilty laughing at jokes (while knowing the more serious setting, which except for MASH, was largely ignored in TV land), I watched and laughed nonetheless. The same would go for stories written about spanking, which take place in similar settings. I'm sure some have already been written here. (I recall Crimson Kid wrote a challenge story about soldiers being severely spanked - in the afterlife, I believe - for actions committed during the war. I don't recall which war, or what the name of the story. But it was very serious, and very well written, and completely appropriate). Personally I believe that all forms of fiction are appropriate for adult readers, if those adult readers are in any way engaged by that fiction. He/she might laugh, cry, be mortified, be outraged, be amazed, shake his/her head in appreciation or in awe or in disgust. Sometimes the closer a topic is to the reality, the more emotional a reader becomes. And that is not only OK, it is better than a safe topic, which might be met with a collective "eh."

Just my 2 cents, and as always, I may be wrong.

ErikSisd
Male Member

Wales
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#15 | Posted: 17 May 2013 11:03
This has gone in a direction other than i'd hoped. Let me try to draw a line under it by offering my apologies to tysout and all others that i've offended with my ill-conceived and hasty post. No offence was intended.

Bogiephil1
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USA
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#16 | Posted: 17 May 2013 20:07
smeple:
I never saw or knew anything about "'Allo 'Allo," but I did see just about every episode of Hogan's Heroes over the course of its run, and in repeats. There was a "Helga" in HH too - perhaps Gen. Burkhalder's secretary?) She was blond, attractive, and attracted TO Hogan, when she could get away from the prying eyes of her German Commandant. I wonder if it is just a coincidence of a common female German name, or if one of the two shows took the concept of "Helga" from the other?

There was a "Helga" in the show, who very much a Nordic blonde. I think she was Burkhalter's secretary. I have no knowledge of 'Allo, 'Allo but it would seem that the name "Helga" is simply a common German, indeed Anglo-Saxon name. There was also a "Hilda", who was Col. Klink's secretary, played by one Sigrid Valdis (a stage name) who was also married to Bob Crane in real life. She started on the show as another girl named Gretchen as a single appearance. Then they brought her back as a semi-regular. She too was a Nordic blonde (with braids, like Helga). I remember "MAD" magazine at the time did a parody of the show and the POWs had a baseball team and they played the guards in a game and their pitcher was having a hard time and Col. Klink's character made a joke about "sending him to the showers". Talk about inappropriate...

Goodgulf
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Canada
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#17 | Posted: 17 May 2013 21:57
Who doesn't have found memories of "Operation Petticoat" - which featured a pink submarine (it had been forced out of port with only its primer coat completed) and a bunch of women and children (military nurses and orphans) trying to live in close quarters with the crew of the sub?

Of course it had been forced out of port by enemy bombers and the reason it had to evacuate the women and children was if it hadn't then they would have been murdered by those stinkin' japs, but it had a lot of laughs and spawned a TV series.

Cary Grant and Tony Curtis starred in the 1959 movie (only 14 years after the end of the war) and John Astin and Jamie Lee Curtis starred in the 1977 series.

Seegee
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Australia
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#18 | Posted: 18 May 2013 01:53
I think Bob Crane used to use one of the secretaries in the pornographic films he made on the side. They made a movie about that with Greg Kinnear playing Crane. I haven't ever seen it, but a friend of mine did and said he could no longer watch Hogans Heroes afterwards. You know Bing Crosby was initially the one they wanted to play Hogan, but by the time they started he agreed he was too old for the role. It was made by his company, though.

Bogiephil1
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USA
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#19 | Posted: 18 May 2013 06:07
Goodgulf:
Who doesn't have found memories of "Operation Petticoat" - which featured a pink submarine (it had been forced out of port with only its primer coat completed) and a bunch of women and children (military nurses and orphans) trying to live in close quarters with the crew of the sub?

Of course it had been forced out of port by enemy bombers and the reason it had to evacuate the women and children was if it hadn't then they would have been murdered by those stinkin' japs, but it had a lot of laughs and spawned a TV series.

Cary Grant and Tony Curtis starred in the 1959 movie (only 14 years after the end of the war) and John Astin and Jamie Lee Curtis starred in the 1977 series.

I was going to ask which one, the movie or the TV show, but you mentioned both. When the TV show came on I immediately remembered the movie (not unlike "Mr. Roberts", another TV show based on a movie). Kind of ironic that Tony Curtis' daughter Jamie Lee was in the TV show.

Bogiephil1
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USA
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#20 | Posted: 18 May 2013 06:16
Seegee:
I think Bob Crane used to use one of the secretaries in the pornographic films he made on the side. They made a movie about that with Greg Kinnear playing Crane. I haven't ever seen it, but a friend of mine did and said he could no longer watch Hogans Heroes afterwards. You know Bing Crosby was initially the one they wanted to play Hogan, but by the time they started he agreed he was too old for the role. It was made by his company, though.

I think that was Sigrid Valdis, who played "Hilda" and subsequently married Crane, who participated in Crane's porno shoots. To be fair, they were meant to be private and not shared or sold to the public, although he did have parties with like-minded people and showed some of his home-made porn. I think that and the rather sordid circumstances of his death soured a lot of people on him. As far as kinky, deviant behavior is concerned in Hollywood though, Crane's sex life doesn't even make the top ten.

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