Justice poll

I usually enjoy a story that has poetic justice.

I can also enjoy a story that has an innocent person becoming a clog in the wheels of justice.

I often enjoy judicial stories where the culprit is guilty.

That said, I have read stories of all three types that I haven't enjoyed.

I guess I have to say that I can enjoy either broad theme, but it depends on the execution of the tale.

Ahhhh, I'd venture that would be "objectively fair," but in numerous Library story scenarios it might not be considered "subjectively right." One gender being the one which is primarily--or even exclusively--subject to corporal correction, often primarily--or even exclusively--by members of the other one, that's hardly unusual in stories or serials in this Library.

It might be simply within a single family, or a group of families, or a particular institution (educational and/or punitive), or even an entire society.

Then it again, it might simply be within a two-person relationship, in which one is always the spanker and the other one always the spankee, because that's the disciplinary (and/or erotic) dynamic between the pair.

KD (Pierre) may have been too modest to 'plug' his own writing, but numerous stories of his explore that type of relationship (most of them within a F/M orientation), not merely including it but focusing on it. The comments on them also show a 'split' between readers who object to the relationship being generally "unfair" in the sense of it being one-sided, and others who accept it as "right," even though one-sided, for the two individuals involved in it.

Potential spoilers:

I recall "Crushed" as being one of those stories which drew quite a few comments suggesting an alternative outcome, even though both of the youthful participants in the entirely one-way disciplinary relationship had come to accept it by the story's conclusion--in fact it was the male spankee who insisted that there be no exception made to their spanking dynamic, in spite of him feeling somewhat mistreated by the spanker at the time, with her having offered to accept a walloping from him. (They were siblings, not romantic partners.)

In "The Friend," the male spankee, while doing pre-punitive cornertime, pondered the reasons that his friendship with his female spanker, originally a close but 'vanilla' one, had developed a strong one-way disciplinary aspect, even though he could logically find no reason for him to accept her dominance over him (she was his 'keyholder' as well), except that--as he told himself afterward, having been returned to the corner with his bottom blazing--"she knew which side of a hairbrush they each belonged on." (I likely remembered this one especially, since it involved platonic opposite-gender friends rather than lovers.)

In most cases, I'd agree that "objective fairness" would be the same as "subjective rightness," but I also accept that there are relationship dynamics (romantic/sexual or otherwise) in which it's not, even if it would superficially seem that the spanker and spankee should be equals in their relationship. (In another of KD's stories, "Pride," a woman deliberately 'unequalized' the dynamic between her husband and a girlfriend of hers, in order to make it harmonious rather than contentious.)

This is an intriguing subject, but now I'm going to reread some story comments before taking it any further... --C.K.

[P.S.: I'm a practicing spankee (albeit for marital play rather than serious discipline), although the frequency of my spousal spankings varies considerably at different times due to numerous factors, and obviously I both read and write spanking-oriented fiction.]

If you like over the top F/M, try my "The Ladies Man."

For me the subject matter of a story is not so important as the Characterization, Relationships And Plot - hold on; that's crap.
What I mean is that I can enjoy a story regardless of my actual preferences (generally I find injustice in a story makes me cross) as long as it's well written.
There is always a danger with the traditional infraction-spanking story that the author concentrates on that aspect to the detriment of telling a good tale, so for that reason those sorts of story generally interest me less unless there is something else overarching going on. For example, the school story works for me because the theme of power balances within an enclosed society can be teased out.

Having said that, the concept of justice can be a flexible one with different views being taken by the characters, and that is a good source of narrative tension; he's overspent on his credit card, buying fancy shoes and picking up speeding tickets on the way home, she thinks it's just to spank him, he thinks he shouldn't be spanked as only women are spanked - result - tension caused by different perceptions of justice. All good grist to the plot mill.

Oh and I only read and write, which may explain why my stories are fantastic.

I hate injustice! I can tolerate it if the balance is restored in the end. I am uncomfortable with unjust punishments (although I also confess to a strange fascination with them too). I wrote my series "Injustice" as a response to some comments I received on other stories, and I was eager to find out if I could produce a convincing set of stories. I hope that I did.
My preference is the well deserved punishment, administered to an appropriate severity. I love judicial settings and domestic situations between a couple, but will read a wide range of mainly M/F stories.
I have some experience as a spankee.

Fetish-wise, I am definitely on the "just" side as spanking for me is primarily about transgression, guilt, repentance, punishment, atonement, and forgiveness. This doesn't mean that I can't enjoy stories about "unjust" spankings, but it takes a little more, and the story needs to have "point". I have a hard time with stories that are just depictions of sadism or dominance for it's own sake.

One of my favorite stories here is Alan Barr's "A Miscarriage of Justice" which, although it is about an "unjust" spanking, seems to incorporate almost everything I am looking for in a good spanking story.

If anyone is looking for unfair and completely over the top, any of JuanOne's stories. I think they're all F/f, though.

Yes, he has a couple I really liked, and true to the point of this thread, the comments he's received fall right along the lines discussed. A small group praise the work as is, while a larger contingent suggest alternate endings or sequels where 'justice can be served'. There's one about a birthday that is simultaneously unfair, shows a sort of crazy mother, a spoiled sister, and yet still manages to be cute.

"they're all F/f, though".....interesting observation. I'm not much for M/F stories and I think I'd really dislike an "unfair" M/F even more. Does anyone think the orientation affects the appeal or dislike of "injustice spankings"?

Hello kd, first, I love your work, so thanks for that.

As to your poll, I have no idea how you are going to score the various responses that you have gotten so far. Few, if any, have come right out and answered your questions. So, of course, neither will I.

opb made two points that I particularly relate to, first:
. When the dynamic is grossly unjust, I have the same reaction. But second, opb talks about power. For me and in the stories that I right (with a few exceptions), it is mostly about power and not about justice. On reflection, I think that is true of the vast majority of the stories in the Library. As CK points out, most of the writers here favor one gender over the other, and even if there is an element of crime and punishment involved in their tale, rarely is punishment meted out in both directions on an equitable basis.

Thanks for the compliment, Graves.

As to the power issue.....yes, there is that, but some of the stories with an injustice theme that appeal to me most are not unfair because the wrong person was accused and punished , but rather some other twist that does not impugn the honor or even innocence of the person spanked determines their fate.

Maybe that's a point I did not consider earlier that is valid. If a person is wrongly accused and seriously punished for an offence, I too tend to bristle at the injustice of it......unless the person being wrongly punished somehow, in a different way perhaps, contributed willfully to their plight. (There are a couple of stories where a person is punished for someone else's misbehavior because they have somehow, willingly pretended to be the other person. In that situation, they may not be guilty of the crime they are being spanked for, but they aren't completely innocent either.

Another issue is that the penalty administered is a spanking. These are not "Ox Bow-type" lynchings or even imprisonments. The worst thing that happens to the 'poor innocent' is a spanking.

In my personal dynamic, I am subjected to all types of spankings, from the cute/sexy/playful ones to genuine punishments. I am also subject to "proxy" spankings. These are genuine punishments for actual offences committed by someone somehow not subject to being spanked. To relieve her frustration at these people, Rosa will sort of use me in their place. Now, she does not treat me meanly and I like that I can be of assistance even though I'm not guilty of the misbehavior......but the spanking I get in these proxy situations are administered like a real punishment....just as if the actual offender was across Rosa's lap rather than me. As unfair as this may sound, I don't resent these spankings at all.......not that I enjoy them (as I said, these aren't playful) but the fact that they serve a genuine purpose for someone I love AND that I am not personally treated as a miscreant but merely as a miscreant's proxy make them very easy for me to accept as part and parcel of my chosen domestic dynamic.