crudcutter:
- Now that potentially opens up another grey area:
Are they really consenting, or just accepting under pressure?
Have they changed their mind once the 'play' started?
Good point.
I'll counter with a (hopefully) better one. Are we talking about children, or adults who take responsibility for their choices?
Personally, I never start out with someone acting out non-con for what should be obvious reasons. If you don't know each other that well, there's the possibility of "oh, you mean you
really meant 'stop'???" (that's the reason for safe words, but I digress). My point being, you don't (or shouldn't) go into the deep end of the pool on a first date. I consensually spank, before I move on to non-con role play. If you know what you're doing, non-con shouldn't be a gray area at all.
Something else you don't know about me which might clarify the situation to you, I don't try to convert vanillas, because I don't believe such a thing is possible. If someone says they are into something and lie while doing it, that isn't my fault or responsibility. So there isn't any "pressure."
"I didn't realize you were going to give me
a spanking, when you asked me to take a spanking!"
^----Someone I never want to play with---^