Texas moms approve of same sex paddlings

I don't think consent was actually possible here. She chose paddling over detention so that she would not get behind in her school work,in other words she felt it to be the lesser of two evils. It was a form of blackmail.
When she found out after that it was worse than what she expected and that the school had violated its own policy, thats when she and her mother went public.
I am sure she and her mother wish it had not become such a big issue, but they did the right thing. The school was in the wrong by imposing such an excessive penalty in the first place. It appears from the story that she was not a student who was a habitual troublemaker, so what was done is deplorable.
School CP likely belongs on the garbage pile of history. And furthermore,why would they use those big heavy paddles that resemble clubs you'd fight off an attacking wolf pack with in the first place?

Although Texas is often mentioned as it has more school paddlings than any other state that is because it has the largest population of any of the 19 states that allow corporal punishment in public schools. There are a number of other states that have a higher percentage of students that get paddled.

If you want to see a YouTube video of a school paddling of a girl by a male principal, heard but not seen, in an Arkansas school go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbRHNGNxSlM
There are several other versions of that video on the web. This is another video that shows what leads up to the other video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaay5gCuyjw&feature=relmfu
By the way these are from a documentary on TruTV called "The Principal's Office" from several years ago and these are real people, not actors. The girl in the video is a junior and is 17 years old.

The thing that is really odd about school paddling (OK, IMHO there are a lot of things odd about it. I can't imagine that happening here where I live, but I digress.) is that the results of a paddling (welts, bruises, etc.) would often trigger child abuse charges if the child was disciplined at home. There was actually a case that went to court in Texas, where child services went after a school employee because a child had a bunch of bruises following a paddling. The case worked it's way through the courts, and from what I (a non-lawyer) understand the court found that the child had been abused, but that the person who did it was not guilty because of the state laws regarding corporal punishment in schools. So if the child's parents did the same exact thing, they would have been guilty.

Why does everybody automatically assume that men paddle harder than women? Anything is possible. You might have a man paddling a girl who thinks to himself, "I need to be careful not to hit her too hard because of my size and strength." In other words, he may take that into consideration and actually go easier on her. On the other hand, you may have a woman wielding the paddle who feels like she needs to 'swing for the fence' in order to compensate for her lack of power. It all depends on the person and you never know what is in any individual's mind.

That being said, if paddling is going to exist in schools, you probably don't want men paddling girls but that's for more of a perception or public relations standpoint than any actual practicality, in my opinion. Even if you make the argument about same sex paddling from the sexual turn-on angle, how do you know the paddler isn't gay or bisexual? Its just that you can't automatically assume anything. If you're going to have paddling, there is always a chance for it to be abused.

In this particular case, I think the mother just sees this as a chance for her 15 minutes. She gave her permission. True, she may have assumed a female would do the paddling but I'm not sure that, in reality, it would make any difference who administered it. She gave her consent then got her panties in a wad when her little darling came home with a red fanny. What did she think it would look like after a paddling? She should have taken her over her knee and made it even redder with her hairbrush. Or she should have had to go to school herself, bend over and take licks too. If you don't want your little angel coming home with a red, sore bottom, don't give ANYBODY permission to paddle them. But don't just assume that she's getting abused because she/he is getting paddled by a member of the opposite sex.

There's a concept in the law that says people have to be free to do their jobs - so should have immunity for things related to doing their jobs.

For example, if a prosecutor points to the defendant and says "that man murdered his wife" he can not be sued for doing so. Even if evidence comes out that the wife is still alive or that someone else murdered her. If, on the other hand, I point to someone and say "that man murdered his wife" he could sue me for slander.

As long as the prosecutor has a good faith basis for calling a man a murderer, he can legally do it. And no one, not even an innocent man, can sue him for that.

In many cases a doctor has immunity to various laws regarding consent if he's trying to save your life. Especially if you're unconscious at the time.

And in some states, the law is written so that school officials can use corporal punishment without fears or being sued or arrested.

So if an innocent man is called a murderer by a prosecutor. the prosecutor is immune to the fallout - even though he slandered the man.

If a doctor has to cut off your blouse and bra and make an incision in your chest to re-inflate a lung, the doctor is immune to the fallout - even though your clothing was destroy and you were cut. And if you happen to hold religious beliefs that are against what the doctor did you still can't sue or have him charged.

And in Texas, if a teacher acting as a teacher in a school situation uses corporal punishment on a student then he is immune to the fallout - even if he hit hard enough for it to be considered abuse.

Personally, I'm ok with court officials and police officers saying that people committed crimes - even if they are occasionally wrong. I'm fine with medical personal doing what they have to in order to save lives. Hitting a student hard enough for it to be called abuse - I disagree there, but I'm not the one who made that law.

Goodgulf

She didn't assume - she (unlike the assistant principal) knew what the school policy was. And she wasn't upset that her kid had been paddled (she was okay with that) but that it was a man doing the paddling.

As for her 15 minutes - one of the mothers was in tears at the school board meeting because of all the fuss that had been caused.

Goodgulf

I think the legal term is "sovereign immunity." The government simply doesn't have time to defend itself against all the illegal stuff it does, so therefore it's legal.

Would the mother have been any less upset if her daughter had been paddled by a female who turned out ot be a 6 foot, 200 pound, lesbian? I'm just saying, there are situations where it may have been more beneficial for been paddled by a man. A paddling is a paddling, some women paddle more severely and may get just as much sexual gratification out of it than a particular man would. I understand the school changed the policy making it OK for opposite sex paddling. If they are going to have paddling, that makes sense to me because I think, depending on the circumstances of each particular case, it makes little,if any, actual difference. Its all about perception, but in reality, women can be just as severe as men when it comes to swinging a paddle.

Sue, I thought the same thing about Grace's stories at first. After having a few 'very nice' conversations with her, I found that in 90% of the stories she writes, the kids end up having a maternal and paternal loving relationship with friends and neighbors who happen to spank them. Most of them are very comical.

The stories are written just as a few people said. We like them. However, most of us would never want to treat a child the way some are treated in real life or in our stories. We read stories of kids who are horribly humiliated and disgraced. We like most of them. However, that doesn't make us bad people. Not that you think or said we are, but just sayin'.

Paddling really should be by the same sex only at the age of these students. It can certainly appear to be sexual otherwise and I'm not so sure these guys aren't enjoying it a bit too much.