Lose of the traditional punishment story

Alef, I don't think either the writers or the readers of stories about 'middle-aged men...spanking teenaged girls on their bare bottom' ever believed it was 'innocent'!

What makes those kind of stories difficult to make realistic today, is writing a spanker who believes their motives are 'innocent' - that they're simply spanking from a sense of duty, or to enforce some rule, and not getting any erotic enjoyment from it.

Even non-spankos must now realise that spanking can be a source of erotic pleasure - consider the popularity, and publicity, of 'Fifty Shades of Grey', for example - which makes the spanking of teenaged girls, either fictional, or in real life, problematic, to say the least!

KDPierre wrote: “What you describe here is the antics of a curious bottom ….”

KDPierre, your Spanko brain is showing


Some wrote something along the lines of: “I didn’t grow up in that timeframe; therefore, I can’t write anything that would be believable.”

My response: “Calling all old people, we have some writing to do before it is too late.” I consider myself in this group.


I used the word “autotune” to mean that socially unacceptable stuff was being filtered out from a universal perspective. I see in many responses their use of the word “autotune” meant the socially unacceptable stuff being filtered out was from a political tribe perspective, which is perfectly fine albeit a little confusing. Just clarifying here. Perhaps my universal perspective was too optimistic.


The issue I had with the use of the word misogyny in the context it was used was that it was a broad label smattered with a broad brush. The Left loves Labels. They think it relieves them from needing to think of a good faith argument, but instead it only becomes a Strawman Fallacy. (Goodgulf, I was trying to provide some clarification and not claiming you are a Left Ideologist).


I grew up in a culture that truly did not give a damn if someone was offended, particularly if that “being offended” didn’t coincide with any meaningful debate.

Organizing a society around avoiding offending anyone can only result in a debilitated society. One that is doomed to fail.


I now have a new motivation to write, one that is aimed at being offensive, yet entertaining. Impossible target? Perhaps. We’ll see. Soon.


Thank you, mostly everyone. I’ve greatly enjoyed this discussion.

Below is a collection of responses prepared for the derisive commenters.

I don’t recommend reading unless you’re curious.


Everyone believes in a God. Ever hear the quote there are no atheists in a foxhole? The only distinction is who this God is. God could be this all knowing being, an entity beyond our comprehension, or in the atheists context, oneself. It all boils down to what the definition of God is. I pose the definition of God is the decider of Right and Wrong, Good and Bad. The outcome of your choice of belief is “who can judge others”.

(Most popular) religions believe in an all-knowing God because only that concept of God can result in fair judgement of all people.

Leftists have a long history of undermining the practice of religion because, like their Confederacy inheritance, they want their converted tribe to be judgmental, allowing them to be easily manipulated and divided according to things like identity. Mao pushed divisive identity ideology as a political movement in China a while back resulting in at least 60 million dead.

But people suck at judging others. In order to be able to judge others fairly one would have to be capable of loving everyone, regardless of past deeds or associations. I refer to this as the “great love”. Does anyone here think they have “great love” for everyone?


Matriarchal societies? Does this mean that it is okay for one sex to dominate a society? It certainly implies it is okay. A person who legitimately believes a female dominated society is okay has no credibility to think that a male dominated society is not okay. Just saying.


Interesting for someone to bring up MeToo. Yes, it had the effect of weeding out the flagrant harassers and addressing some culture issues. But it also became a power movement, one with its own set of analogous abuses from women, along with a lot of collateral damage to women, men, and employers alike. I have serious doubts modern organizations will recover any time soon. No one trusts anyone, which is a great loss. I can’t help but notice that everyone has ignored the outcome.

If your intended social engineer outcome is not what you intended, then it’s not engineering, it’s societal hacking, very irresponsible and unethical.


Science is not a system of belief. Science is a system of doubt.

The latest political movement proclaiming “believe the science” (followed up with the proverbial bat to bludgeon political opponents) has set the practice of science back to the stone age.

People want to blame those who are choosing to avoid getting vaccines, yet none of those people want to look deeper into the reason why. But the reason is both obvious and simple: First the government lies (and lies, and lies and lies). Then that same government tells those people to get the vaccines and to “believe the science”. People know that the “science” has become a political tool not resembling anything of what science used to be; and therefore, don’t want to be conned (again, and again, and again). Honesty and accountability is the only way forward.

The worst thing that happened with climate change is that the problem became political. Those who claim to support addressing climate change funnel the legislated funds to their donors that result in dubious outcomes. Villainizing the political opponents who don’t support the dubious climate change projects compounds the problem further. There is no real science being done either. Real science would involve: 1) Pose a solution, 2) Engineer plan the process, outcome, costs, 3) Test, measure the plan, outcomes on small projects, validate costs, feasibility, then 4) Scale the the solution independently measuring for affect and efficiency. Does anyone see anything like that happening now?


Again like their Confederacy inheritance, the Left loves speaking in coded language. “Save our democracy” did not mean save our nation (I.e. the US) from becoming a dictatorship, the meaning assumed by all of those supporting the Left. Instead, it meant saving the democracy the Left political establishment thought they owned for themselves.

The phrase “Diversity is our strength” does not mean the implied equality of everyone from all walks of life. Instead it meant that the Left was going to use people’s differences to divide them, allowing the Left to exercise power over them. Division by identity groups is the Left’s strength.

Be scientific. Be doubtful. Stop accepting everything (anything) at face value. Put honest thought into it.


Western society has devolved a great deal under Liberal domination, primarily because Liberalism pushes “responsibility” away from individuals to the “State”. Which might be fine if the “State” didn’t suck so bad at being responsible for anything. The impact being that individuals become lesser (and lesser, and lesser) responsible for anything, resulting in too many people being barely more than functioning children. Want proof? Look at interactions of people on social media.

One could substitute the word “Institution” for “State”. Our educational institutions are no longer capable (and have not been for a very long time) of addressing the discipline of children that involves any form of corporal punishment that would result in the betterment of those children both long and short term. But that leaves us with a BIG problem. In an earlier post I referred to the question “In the absence of CP what replaced discipline”? I have a great fear that the current discipline approaches (which includes no discipline at all) results in “Mental Abuse”. And I again point to the greater frequency of Mental Health issues that predominate in the educational institutions of mostly Liberal areas of the country.


Cancel Culture has to stop. (Cancel culture being defined as attempting to shame or being derisive to anyone you disagree with). Cancel culture shuts down discourse and creates fertile ground for ignorance to reign. We can see a great deal of this as it relates to spanking.

We have serious problems to discuss (climate change, vaccines, the mental health of the children, etc, etc, etc) and we need to be able to have responsible adult conversations to start to solve them.


The only ones talking all the time about violence is the Left. Heard of Assassination Culture? Yes, it is now a thing, and it is coming from the Left.

"Everyone believes in a God."

This made me chuckle. A ridiculous argument parroted straight from Jordan Peterson himself.

This was a truly advanced and engaging thread springing tremendously long responses. I don't follow everything which is said, as much of it appears to refer to cultural and political events which I have no relation to, but I'd like to throw in my five cents into the fray anyway, even though not understanding fully what the discussion is about.

To me spanking has always been about sexual satisfaction. I don't think many, or anyone, here want to see a world full of corporal punishment. What we, or at least I write, is just unreal images to satisfy our minds. It's the same as the morbid fascination many cinephiles have for movies like 'Saw' or 'Texas Chainsaw Massacre'. Even if they take great satisfaction in watching those films, it doesn't mean that they would want a world in which such things happen. It's the same with spankings. They fill an important role, but only in the mind.

Most often I find what I interpret as traditional spanking stories rather dull, because they are a reflection of the very real, unjust and damaging beatings which many have been subjected to during their upbringing. Sometimes I find a touching romantic story in which a loving couple spanks, but that is also a rare find. Mostly the consensual spanking stories are utterly boring as the plot holds no surprise, twist or excitement. What I truly like is fantasy because it leaves the plot wide open as none of the rules which apply to any society on Earth have to exist there.

Gloup/glagla

That's what makes this site important. I appreciate both the on topic comments and the slightly off topic comments this thread has already generated. Many of us, myself included, have strong opinions. I would hope we do not feel the need to label each other or make ad hominem responses or, perhaps, accept every challenge.

I replied to Smachtai's original post with a contrary opinion. But I didn't really make a serious attempt to understand Smachtai's point of view. I want to correct that. Instead of going "medieval", I'll restrict my comments to the age and culture we live in.

This was the start of a post I was working on before the culture wars erupted. I thank Giaglia for trying to get this thread back on track. I'd also like to thank Gourmet for writing "Science is a system of doubt". I think that's true.

He also writes, "I grew up in a culture that truly did not give a damn if someone was offended". I didn't grow up in that culture. I often felt I was the round peg, my culture was trying to pound into a square hole. I think we view things through our own lens.

I use LSF as an escape from the real world. I don't like to use the real world as an escape from LSF. I don't need motivation to be offensive. I think I'm a natural

This has been a very interesting thread and I am really happy I started it. It has certainly wandered over a wider discussion than I had originally imagined. Where do I start?

Firstly, I am not trying to suggest that stories written in the past were 'traditional' while newer stories are lacking that 'traditional' outlook. There are some very interesting 'traditional' stories right now on the latest loaded list. By traditional I meant simply the traditional dynamic between spanker and spankee in contrast to two or more people getting together simply for pleasure.

I realise now that this division is too simplistic and that i might be doing no more than simply saying I like some stories more than others, i.e. just reflecting my own prejudices, although i think I am doing more than that. The change is almost certainly down to changes in societal norms and attitudes . But, as many of you have testified, the idea , which i stated, that corporal punishment was ubiquitous in the 50's and 60's itself is questionable.

But I would like to go back to that dynamic again. It has been mentioned that the spanker almost always obtained erotic pleasure from giving a spanking. But there are reports from the past where the spanking was delegated to someone else, a governess or a different teacher etc. However, looking back, I can see that in many instances the spanker did derive pleasure from the spanking. But , generally, not so the spankee. At least not initially, and it that dynamic, the spankee submitting to the spanker, because they are the 'person in authority' even though the outcome would be painful and best avoided.

Perhaps I can better explain with an example. There is a recent German film, "Das goldene Ufer", which has a scene of punishment of a maid. Before her caning, the maid asks a fellow servant 'who gave the duchess' the right to order her punishment and the answer she got was that 'no one gave them the right, it is just the way things are'. And so she obediently follows the housekeeper along a series of corridors to reach a bench where she bends to receive the cane. While she has questioned her punishment , nevertheless she conforms and submits to the housekeeper. Incidental, it is the housekeeper who administers punishment to the lowly servants not the duchess herself so no induction that the duchess was rewarded with any erotic pleasure.

In talking about the 'spanking story' I must make it clear that i am not making the case for corporal punishment, either in the past or present. It was certainly disruptive to my own education and coloured my views of those people happy to use the cane or strap. And, in general, I don't find stories at all enjoyable when there is excessive punishment.

One very enjoyable feature of this site is that , not only can you get to read and submit stories, but it also provides a forum where we can debate and discuss our various views. Finally, I hope I haven't offended anyone by generalising my own experiences and by the use of the 'traditional' and 'modern' labels which meant no more than a reference to the dynamic between the spanker and spankee and in no way related to the date the story was written or the time period it was set.

This reminds me of a series of spanking stories that popped up in my Youtube feed - The Discipline Files.
They claim to be 'for educational and entertainment purposes' and they all follow much the same formula; a teenaged girl (or sometimes boy) breaks some minor rule - not adhering to strict uniform regulations or a curfew and so forth - and is spanked for it. They make no real objection to the spanking, though they're described as dreading it, they don't question the right of the spanker to spank them, or the point of the arbitrary rules they're supposed to have infringed on, they feel no animosity toward the spanker at any point - and once the spanking is over they become totally obedient, well-behaved and hard-working (which I find creepy in a 'Stepford Wives' kind of way). The stories usually end with the student (having become an honour roll student, valedictorian, employee of the month or similar) attributing their success to the spanking, with no mention of the years of effort they themselves have put in. In some ways they read like propaganda for a return to corporal punishment. Has anyone else here read them, and if so, what do you think?

The profile on my author page includes the following: “My stories frequently have a school setting and sometimes they have an autobiographical background which explains why the events often take place in the 50’s or 60’s.”

So to include a ‘traditional spanking’, the story simply needs to be set back in the days when corporal punishment was commonplace. Those that were born later just have to use their imagination but isn't that what a library of spanking fiction is supposed to be all about?

I agree 100 per cent with everything Alef says in his recent post (#24). I think it says it all with regard to the original post.

Okay I know that does not contribute much to the debate, so I will just add a few more points:

Myrkassi (#31) says:


True, but I think the point is that in the past the authors of such stories were writing for like-minded men in the 'club', whereas in the #MeToo era where stories have a much wider audience there may be a perceived need to tone it down. (Whether they should or not is a separate debate).

Gourmet (#32) wrote a very lengthy post which I (and I suspect others) would love to respond to (and which I think Gourmet would welcome), but to do so would be to steer the present thread well off course. I would suggest it might be re-posted as the beginning of a new thread (although given it could be very divisive maybe F&F might need to give this some consideration).

Smachtai (#36) says:


Whilst some of us may have different perceptions based on our own experiences, I don't think anyone has been offended. On the contrary, we owe you a debt of gratitude for having initiated such a thought-provoking debate. Thank-you.

I have followed this thread from the start, and thank you Smachtai for starting the conversation which has gone far and wide. Many of my points have already been made, but by far the most important is that the LSF is a very broad church which should include all that have an interest in the subject. Naturally we will all gravitate toward aspects that have more particular interest. Obviously our own backgrounds will have an impact on how we think and it is clear that those of us that experienced corporal punishment at school (that by definition will be older) will have different views to those that are much younger and went to school after CP was abolished (1987 in UK state schools - 1999 in UK public schools). Smachtai makes many good points - like at his school authority was never challenged and if you were down for punishment you accepted it. You dreaded the prospect especially if you had to wait until the end of the day or the following morning. When told to prepare, again you did so without question even if it meant dropping trousers and sometimes pants. It is difficult over fifty years later for many to understand, but at our school certain masters used the cane most days - these were not exceptional punishments but treated as normal. There was one that we all hated and although none of knew at the time, it is clear looking back he got his kicks from caning boys - he was the only one of the three that made you drop or remove trousers and often pants. Again whilst we hated him, nobody thought anything about it other than he was a particularly nasty master. Personally, I left school with happy memories, but the memories of being caned were always powerful and it for conjecture how much it contributed to my interest in later life. Many others come to the subject as has been articulated in this thread from a more erotic route which is fantastic. As said it has been a facinating thread and to repeta the LSF is and should always be a broad church