Lose of the traditional punishment story

This is just some thoughts on the evolution of the spanking story.
Perhaps I am too wedded to the past, but I notice a very definite shift in the spanking story from a traditional corporal punishment scenario to a description of another pleasurable 'quasi-sexual' experience. And as a lover of the traditional story I find the change a little sad and indeed, bewildering.

There are a number of thread on the forum which explores aspects of the 'spanking story' and I considered posting in one of those but I feel this is a different aspect and would only derail any other thread. I will try to explain what I mean, and what I miss about the traditional story. As I am creature of the 50's and 60's I am old enough to remember when corporal punishment was not just common place , it was ubiquitous in both domestic settings and schools. And I write from an Irish perspective but I think the experience in other parts of the world, with a few exceptions, was not too different.

There are two central aspects of the traditional story which I feel are missing from the modern form. Firstly there is the anticipation of pain often accompanied by a few tears. Waiting for a much feared caning outside the headmasters office is very different to anticipating a pleasurable experience sexual experience and the modern story must , by definition, miss out on this. My experience is that i never met any teenage students who craved and wish for the cane or a spanking. Such desires might come many years later in an more adult relationship but real events were more likely accompanied by trepidation.

A second aspect is around submission. In almost all cases, the 'spankee' has to submit to the person carrying out the punishment. At the very least, they must cooperate in holding out their hand, bending over a desk, or placing themselves over the lap of the spanker. That dynamic in many ways defines the relationship between the person punishing and the person being punished. I have never witnessed anyone, no matter how they would dread the punishment, refusing to submit. Again , that aspect is usually absent from the modern story.

I don't want this to be seen as a complaint. It is rather just thoughts on how the story is evolving. But to me , it is an evolution which loses much of the original dynamic of the form.

This is an incredible coincidence. I just opened the forum page to initiate this same topic. Smachtai did an excellent job of introducing the issue of how today's spanking stories lack something that the older stories (15+ years ago) possess. As a result, I have resolved myself to reading only the older stories. And this is why I don't post any stories here.

Is this an effect of "cancel culture" or is it something else?

Well I can't speak for others, but for me I think it is easily explained by the fact that I grew up (born in 94) in a time where spankings weren't really a thing anymore. Despite that, like many spanko, I had my fetish from a very young age. But since 'traditional CP' wasn't part of my life, my fetish naturally evolved in a sexual direction, especially as soon as I had access to Internet at 11.

With that background, 'traditional punishment stories' have very little appeal to me. I simply can't relate to a school boy or girl being genuinely afraid of receiving 'six of the best'. And in general, stories where none of the characters are spanko don't really excite me. On the other hand, I do love stories in a traditional context, but where the spankee connives to get spanked or where the spanker abuses their position of authority and secretely (or not so secretely :D) thoroughly enjoy giving out a spanking. That sort of twist on the 'traditional story' I find very arousing, but yeah the realistic kind I'm not too interested in either reading or writing and in my case it has nothing to do with 'cancel culture', but simply having grew up in a different time.

We all enjoy reading and as authors, writing, different styles of story, but I for one am with you on this and agree that it has become a trend in recent years. Yes, the older stories are the more satisfying for someone of our age and background.
I primarily write for my own pleasure and if a reader also enjoys them, then I am very pleased. Comments are always welcome.
My own tales are I hope, completely devoid of a sexual dimension. They deal with the usually deserved punishment of mid or older teens often within a quasi parental context. Landladies may feature, schools less so, although two stories do involve student teachers.
Maybe they offer something of the sort you are seeking.

Smachtai,
It is my opinion that you've over-generaiized based on your own experience on two points: a) how ubiquitous corporal punishment was in the 1950s and 1960s; b) and whether there has been an "evolution" of spanking stories over time from those featuring "traditional" discipline to those featuring spanking as an erotic/sexual activity as opposed to those simply being two different types of stories.

I, too, am a child of the 50s and 60s, born in 1953, and spanking (albeit being acceptable) was not ubiquitous at either at school or at home, despite my growing up in a more-or- less tradition-bound small town in the midwestern United States. At school I never received nor was threatened with a spanking, and am aware of only three that happened to other students in my k-12 years. (One of these being my kindergarten teacher, in her first year teaching, getting frustrated because what we would now call a "special needs" child in her class of 30 being unwilling - or perhaps just unable - to follow instructions, smacked her a couple times with a yardstick - hardly the fodder for ANY kind of spanking story). I didn't witness either of the other two I was aware of. At home, I have a vague recollection of being spanked once when I was 4-5 years old, and once when I was 11 or 12, while swinging around a ruler while threatening a spanking, my mom struck me, probably accidentally, on the belt of my pants. I'm sure spankings happened occasionally, and much more often threatened, but they were not "ubiquitous."

The first spanking story I ever read was in Playboy in the early 1970s. The premise was that a Playboy writer, assigned to research people's interest in spanking, placed an ad looking for a woman wanting to get spanked. To make a long story short, he met up with an attractive woman who answered his ad, but as he spanked her he discovered that in reality she was a writer for a woman's magazine with the same assignment. So they skipped the rest of the spanking and moved on to fucking. So 50 years ago there was an erotic "spanking story" that either had already "evolved from a traditional discipline" story or, more likely, never had to evolve. For decades (centuries?) before there was an erotic component to much adult spanking, and it makes sense that at least some spanking stories that may have been written dealt with that aspect. Myself? Although from a young age I had a fascination with spanking, it always focused on the act itself, rather than on EITHER the disciplinary or sexual aspect. When I returned to it as an adult, my interest was ALWAYS on the erotic aspect ... and this included both reading and writing stories (even if a disciplinary pretext was needed for the spanking being given). And there was always such material available to read - whether "already evolved" or never needing to evolve.

Please - enjoy whatever type of spanking story you prefer, but don't suggest that those of us who enjoy reading and writing a different type of spanking story are participating in a debasement (even if you call it evolution) of the type of spanking you enjoy, or that the type we enjoy somehow had to rely on the type of story you prefer for its genesis. To each his own, "I'm ok/You're ok," live and let live, and all of that

Definitely an interesting topic, although I’m not quite sure what to make of it. First of all, the teenage spanking story is definitely not dead: I counted the last three pages of "Submissions", and about a third of the stories were marked with a t for teenager, and I’m sure some of the adult stories have much of the same dynamic. Still I was a bit surprised to see there was such a majority of adult stories - I would have expected it to be more even.

My second point is that the dichotomy between "traditional stories about corporal punishment" on the one hand, and "modern ‘quasi-sexual’ stories" on the other hand, seems too coarse. There are lots of stories that belong somewhere between these extremes, for instance judicial stories, humorous stories, and stories about adult relationships of the "consensual nonconsent" type.

It’s probably more interesting to ask why things may be changing. I think Robertz is right when he points out that the population is changing, and that younger generations have other experiences (or lack of experiences) with spanking than older folks. It may also have to do with geography; I have never quite understood the fascination with school spankings as where I grew up, spankings in schools were banned when my father was still in grade school. Another effect may be the nature of the site. The Spanking Library isn’t just a place where people post stories, but a living environment where writers and readers meet, discuss, and challenge each other. In such an environment, it’s only natural that people want to try out new things. There are almost 33 000 stories here at the moment, and it seems a bit senseless to write one more run-of-the-mill spanking story.

As any regular reader of my stories can attest, I write all kinds, including some that are pure punishment in a school-type context (I won't write about any character under 18). Some examples: What Happens When I Get Home, Waiting My Turn, and part 1 of the serial A Day in the Life of the Disciplinarian. I hope this helps. Thank you for your post.

I've written plenty of punishment stories with much trepidation on the spankees part as the moment approaches.

While I understand Smachtai's concerns, I agree with njrick's observation "that you've over-generalized based on your own experience."

Sexual and "quasi-sexual" spanking are not new phenomenon. They have existed in literature for centuries. I remember Betty Page from the 60's.

I was born just after WWII. Smachtai says spanking was "ubiquitous" in the 50's and 60's. But I knew kids who weren't spanked. Views on spanking probably varied by which country or region you lived in.

Are you suggesting, (I'm paraphrasing) that a desire to be spanked is an adult concept? I definitely did not to be spanked by my parents. However, as a child, I wanted to be spanked by any one of my beautiful aunts. I wanted physical contact. I was too old to suckle and I hadn't even heard the F word. Spanking seemed to be the most intimate interaction a young boy could have with a woman.

You write, "A second aspect is around submission." You never witnessed anyone refusing to submit to a punishment. I don't know if running like hell, as far and as fast as I could, changes your thinking. But after a cold, hungry night I went back home. So, I guess, technically I submitted.

There are stories on this site that match your criteria. If you ask for suggestions, many writers, just like warthur, would be happy to provide them. If you're asking authors to write to your specifications, good luck.

I get what is being said about experience being the driver of story lines and plots. I started public school in 1965, in Texas no less, graduated in 1977, in the same city in Texas. Corporal punishment, ie. paddling was alive and well for my entire public school career. So, since that is what I'm familiar with, I frequently write about school corporal punishment. I was spanked at home as well, and was quite familiar with my dad's belt. So I write about home punishment as well. I also write about spanking in adult relationships, and frequently those spankings lead to adventures in romance. A number of my stories deal with the emotional side of spanking, either from a school student being paddled, a teacher or principal administering the paddling, or maybe married adult female, anticipating a spanking her husband, or a girlfriend thinking of getting spanked by her boyfriend. In all those plots, a lot of my stories deal with the paddling or spanking itself, and the emotional state of those involved.