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Glagla
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#31 | Posted: 27 Mar 2020 00:06
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I can't help feeling a bit targeted by your response, as I was the one mentioning "over 80". I didn't suggest that there should be no quarantine. I didn't state that you don't need to worry if you're under 80 with no underlying health conditions. When I wrote "unless you..." I meant to refer to ChardT and not to people in general. Also, I wrote "likely" not to affect him, which is true. I didn't say that you automatically don't have to worry if you're under 80. All the information I have shared is taken directly from the WHO home page. From the WHO statistics, it's extremely rare that patients without at least one secondary condition have died. Most diseased suffered from multiple secondary conditions, but those cases are not headline news, just the few odd ones. Also, there is an excess of male victims, which is believed to be related to smoking habits. I did not make any of this up. WHO data can hardly be called misinformation. Nor would I call detailed WHO statistics of person per person data analyzing 13,000 deaths a ridiculous statement. What I have stated are actual rates and causes of death. I'm sorry if I misunderstood what you wrote. It's just how I understood your comment on 'sweeping and frankly ridiculous statements', but maybe you were referring to something else. If so, I apologize. Sometimes I feel that I shouldn't try to write in English at all, since it apparently comes out completely wrong at what can be critical moments. What I've tried to express, which apparently didn't come through at all, which I apologize for, is that we'll live through this one, as so much before. My idea of showing death rates was that it clarified that Corona isn't the end of the world. I did this in contrast to many alarmist headlines in international papers that are causing what can be seen as nothing than widespread panic and hysteria as people are emptying the supermarkets when there is no need for it and it makes it more difficult for society to work. We should all be careful, which is how I finished my comment; 'be careful'. By that I meant better safe than sorry. I'd like to add though that talking about a death-toll of 1% of the world population is not doing any good to the already high panic level. That figure has no basis in WHO data. It refers to the expected final death toll among infected showing symptoms and having been tested. Those are a fragment of the population. Most people don't show any symptoms, but instead develop immunity. This has been confirmed by the mortality pattern worldwide in nation after nation. Ten million people are not going to die from Corona (WHO, Anthony Fauci (NIAID)). The goal according to politicians worldwide is to try to spread out the flu season over a longer period, but the main reason to do that is to unload the health care systems and avoid having to chose who to give intensive care and who to leave outside to die. The total number of patients is far from big compared to our health care systems, or the annual death toll by other causes. The problem is that the symptoms manifest themselves in a way that we at present don't have the capacity to treat at the same rate as new people are falling ill and it's not in the normal human nature to just accept people dying without trying to prevent it in any way we can. That however doesn't mean that there's a flood-wave larger than anything seen before of people dying to the left and to the right. I think that's important to keep in mind, so we stay calm and make rational decisions. We're doing this to help reasonably few, not because we'll all die otherwise.

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#32 | Posted: 31 Mar 2020 22:26
At some point of hoarding, the has to be a few limiting factors: 1. Lack of space to store the things, 2. Limited budget to buy T.P. and wipes and other inedible things, 3. Neighbors start noticing your stash as it shows through the windows.

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