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mj2001
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#11 | Posted: 12 Jun 2018 23:05
Hotspur:
A few years later another future queen of England, Lady Jane Grey, was also birched by her mother and her governess on the orders of her father. This was well illustrated in the movie with Helena Bonham-Carter, although in fact Jane was flogged in this manner over several months.

Goodgulf:
Speaking of that Lady Jane movie, it is worth watching for more than just the birching scene. Not only is it a good movie but it is mostly accurate - and includes what happened when teenagers were married because of their family's political ambitions.

Yes, both a good movie and a tragic story in real life. She was only 16-17 when she was killed. The "Nine Days Queen" was named Edward VI's successor since Mary was Catholic, but Mary basically overthrew her, and she and her husband were sentenced to death.

Supposedly Mary didn't want to execute Jane, but then Jane's dad and uncles rebelled and that resulted in all their deaths. She famously was blindfolded but then couldn't find the axeman's block and wandered around the gallows playing blind man's bluff until someone finally helped her find it.

Goodgulf
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#12 | Posted: 13 Jun 2018 00:20
It was a bit more than that.

Mary was a bastard. Seriously, her parents' marriage was annulled, meaning they were never really married.

Elizabeth (who became queen after Mary's death) was the daughter of a convicted adulteress. Who knew who her real father was?

The Scottish line was forever removed from the line of succession. At least until they were the only descendants of Henry VII left.

So people had a legal reason to rally around Lady Jane (the original nine day wonder) as the only possible heir to the crown.

As for her execution, she had been told how many steps to take, she took them, but her legs were shorter than the average condemned and she didn't reach the block. That led to her famous reaching out with her arms while asking "what am I to do". Thankfully someone steered her to the headman's block.

But as for the on topic part of the movie, there is a birching scene.

Seegee
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#13 | Posted: 13 Jun 2018 09:07
Elizabeth was the one suspected of beung conceived out of wedlock. Henry attempted to have his marriage to Catherine annulled on the grounds that her first marriage to his older brother Arthur had been consummated (Catherine swore that it hadn't, and they were married young), the Pope refused to annull the marriage, so Henry broke from the Catholic church, formed hus own and declared himself head of it.

The birching scene in Lady Jane is well done, but like most historixal films, considerable liberties are taken with fact for reasons of story.

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