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rollin
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#21 | Posted: 18 Dec 2010 20:30
Right you are Februs but it can be a lot more complicated than that. You are talking about what the law is today, but for any work created or published under the older acts--1978, 1990, you have to get more data before you can decide if something is still covered. In any event registration is required for launching a lawsuit but you can do both simultaneously, so if you in fact own the right, that's not a large impediment. But there is a huge practical consideration. You can recover only "actual damages" unless you are entitled to statuatory damages. How do you get statuatory damages? By timely (within 90 days of publication or before) registration. See what I mean? These old porno magazines, books and stories are not likely to have been registered ever. And if they were, who owns that registration now?

cfpub
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#22 | Posted: 19 Dec 2010 05:09
rollin:
I think an interesting question is, who was behind MR magazine? Is he still around? Why all the spanking stuff? No other "mens" magazine seemed so fixated on this.

The way I heard the story, not necessarily the correct way, is that in the late 50's Mr published a letter on wife spanking and was so overwhelmed by the response they just kept on doing it.

This is plausible, Diana Galbadon has stated in print that she got more readers' letters about the chapter in Outlander in which the heroine got spanked than any other part of the book. I should say it certainly got my attention.

rollin
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#23 | Posted: 19 Dec 2010 06:05
Have you seen the graphic comic based on Outlander? I did and guess what---the scene is NOT SHOWN! It takes place "off screen "as it were. How chickenshit. I could not believe it. I too had heard that she got all this mail about "the scene" and was kind of perplexed about it. You know the same thing happened to Sharon Green and she eventually became a writer of Sci-fi "spanking romances", some of which were ok.

cfpub
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#24 | Posted: 19 Dec 2010 14:58
There is a discussion of the scene and her mail in The Outlander Companion, Ms Galbadon defends the spanking on the grounds of historical accuracy. Interestingly the historical source she uses is History of the Rod which, while it may have historical accuracy, is clearly a Victorian work for and by spankos. She wasn't scared off however as one of the last few Outlander books has a graphic scene of a man spanking his daughter bare bottomed with a belt in the woods.

In the case of Sharon Green, it was her publisher which chickened out, ruling out spankings in her books and thus going a long ways to destroying her popularity as a writer.

rollin
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#25 | Posted: 19 Dec 2010 15:35
I suppose that lack of erotic interplay between her female and male protagonists made her less popular in mainstream publishing. I noticed after the sort of spanking high water mark in Mind Guest and a few others she turned to magical fantasy (which I did not read). Now she writes Sci-Fi and fantasy "Spanking Romances" as you know, but the whole "spanking romance" genre is a secondary niche market. It is populated by authors with widely varying degrees of talent, to put it as kindly as I can. I hope someday to share with this board my findings as to how good these novels are.

Just go to Amazon or Lulu and type "spanking" into their search engines and see what turns up. There is a lot, not the least of which originates from Bethany's ABCD sites.

tiptopper
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#26 | Posted: 20 Dec 2010 01:27
Re: Mr. Magazine. In the November, 1958 issue they had an article called "The Evil Lure of the Whip" by B.F. Shelton, Editor as part of their Sex Survey Department. The article was about various forms of s & m. That started generating letters about spanking starting with the April, 1959 issue. Mr. continued publishing letters about spanking and sometimes articles and news stories since it was so popular. How much of that material was fact and how much was fiction is hard to say.

Mr. then started asking models in the magazines if they were spanked. That continued for years until one of the models complained that she was misquoted and they were forced to issue a retraction and apology.

I have those early issues if anybody is interested in them.

Redskinluver
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#27 | Posted: 21 Dec 2010 14:38
Have a feeling that magazines like MR and porn books never got registered, doubtful if you'll see them in the Library of Congress catalogue. Stuff published in the 70s and 80s likely long forgotten by those who did it.
As for Wild Wild World the only thing that would be of interest for publishing would be the paragraphs about the alleged spankings. They would be good to see, if they still exist. The feature may have disappeared from the magazine in its last years, when spanking material in it took a real downturn. Who knows maybe we'll see it sometime.
Book reviewers often quote excerpts and give credit to the original publication, perhaps that'd be a possibility for MR model interviews or WWW.

tiptopper
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#28 | Posted: 22 Dec 2010 02:23
Redskinluver,

As I wrote earlier I have many copies of Mr. magazine so they do exist. So since you mentioned that you would like to see it sometime here is an article from Wild Wild World, Mr. magazine, April 1968. Since it is a news story I am quite sure that no copyright laws apply.

After complaints that corporal punishment was sometimes applied too severely at a private school for girls in Cape Town, South Africa, the heasmistress agreed to a compromise. Now whenever a student is deemed eligible for such chastisement , a note is sent to her parents. If they then certify that they have then spanked the naughty one, she is spared a wallping at school.

The first two girls to "benefit" from the change has opposite reactions. A 15-year-old blonde, unnamed to spare her embarrassment, told a newspaper that she was grateful for the change. "At school I had to bend over the head's desk with my skirts raised," she said, "The most I ever got was six strokes of the cane, but each time that awful cane licked across the seat of my panties I thought it was going right through me. The pain was really terrible. At home, Mother make me lean over and grab my ankles. She holds my skirts up and whacks the seat of my panties with a ping pong paddle. I get a couple of dozen smacks and it really stings, but it doesn't have that really cutting effect that the cane does. Also I would rather have it done by my own mother, even if the pain were just as bad."

A 16-year-old brunette had a very different opinion. "When I got caned at school it hurt like mad, but it was over fast and at least I never got it on the bare," she said, "When Mummy got the note she was very angry with me and really decided to teach me a lesson. She took me over her knee, pulled my panties down and spanked me with her hand on the naked seat, just like a little girl.

She must have kept me in that humiliating position for ten minutes, spanking for a while, then scolding, then spanking some more, and so on. It's very embarrassing at my age to have your bottom bared, even by your own mother. And even though her palm isn't a cane it still hurts plenty.

I copied that news story verbatim except that I added some paragraph breaks as originally it was one long paragraph. It sounds like something that the Library readers would like.

Redskinluver
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#29 | Posted: 22 Dec 2010 18:27
Thanks for this. It sounds exactly like something BaredAffair would have run. It does have the ring of truth to it- but could just as easily came from someone's fertile spankophile imagination.
As you may know we have some BaredAffair pieces in the library. Ones like this from Wild Wild World would certainly fit right in.

Februs
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#30 | Posted: 22 Dec 2010 19:37
We do have a couple of letters from magazines currently loaded and as long as we're not likely to start anyone screaming "copyright violation" then I don't see why we couldn't load others. We might need to think a little about how they would be indexed though as assigning the letter writer as "author" is probably not the best way of going about it .. it might be better to assign the magazine itself and reference the purported "author" within the text.

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