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#11 | Posted: 25 Nov 2014 15:50
It's very dependent on context. If a spanking is unfair, it usually doesn't fall into the category of punishment. At that point, it's about character and circumstance. Is the spankee sacrificing bottom for the greater good even though she herself is innocent? Does the spanker sniff out a streak of submission that the subject is unaware of? In this instance perhaps revelation is more important than discipline. Perhaps the spankee is undeserving in the moment but needs a good humbling experience anyway.

In the aforementioned scenarios, there is some interesting and exciting ground to cover. Often I see people write stories where the victim is a bit dim and naive to the machinations of an institution or group that is obviously set up for entrapment. These don't interest me as much. They rob me of the compelling character necessary to compensate for the thrill of reading a true submissive journey.

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#12 | Posted: 25 Nov 2014 16:39
There are some things that are hard to explain. I am not a violent person and I really don't want to hurt anybody. So why is it that whenever I meet an attractive female, I want to subject her to unbearable pain and suffering by whacking her bare backside till it's black and blue? It's just as illogical to enjoy writing about an innocent person being unjustly punished because we know that's just not right. It is however a turn-on for many spanko's and yes, some of my stories do have this theme. Having the bad guy/girl get their comeuppance at the end of the piece is one way of (maybe unconsciously) putting things right.

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#13 | Posted: 25 Nov 2014 16:54
I do read and enjoy both kinds of stories, but I do enjoy stories where the spankee doesn't deserve her spanking, but usually with some kind of twist, mistaken identity for example. I also enjoy over the top unjust spankings as well, like the ones in juanoneone's stories. so absurd that they wouldn't happen in real life.

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#14 | Posted: 25 Nov 2014 17:20
DarkRiver brings up a point that I've always said in spanking stories. If an author can make you angry or sad reading the story then they have done their job well. However, I haven't let that stop me from reading certain authors. I hope that isn't me, DarkRiver. LOL

I don't think any of my stories are overly abusive. In fact, quite a few of my stories end well.

Hotspur:
I am not a violent person and I really don't want to hurt anybody. So why is it that whenever I meet an attractive female, I want to subject her to unbearable pain and suffering by whacking her bare backside till it's black and blue? It's just as illogical to enjoy writing about an innocent person being unjustly punished because we know that's just not right.

That's a sign of just being a spanko at heart and not an abuser. I often see an attractive woman who is pretty well fit and has a very strong body. Like Hotspur, I sometimes think about her putting me across those power looking thighs and spanking me to tears. That feeling is more often Her Spanking Me and not the reverse scenario.

We also have to remember that abusive just doesn't mean the spanking one gets in a story. It also means the degree of humiliation a character feels whether male or female. I've read quite a few of these stories as well. However, once again, there are those who read these stories who get turned on by them. It may be that the reader envies that character and wishes they were subjected to the same. I'm guessing here and nothing more. Most of these stories I believe are written with the fact that the spankee enjoys what is to take place or has taken place. I sometimes find myself saying, "thank goodness this is fiction."

DarkRiver
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#15 | Posted: 25 Nov 2014 18:20
No Bendover it definitely isn't you :D

And I agree, I like a story that gets me to react (positive or negative). Unfortunately I've come across a few stories that make me want to toss my monitor out the window. :p The stories I really don't like are those that inflict unfair/unjustified punishments and then have the spankee go about their business without any visible effect on them.

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#16 | Posted: 25 Nov 2014 21:11
It seems from the responses thus far that a majority of readers view spanking as punishment for wrongdoing and in that vein, naturally prefer to see justice prevail. That makes sense I guess. I suppose my fascination with spanking is the mindset that allows an individual to accept being spanked....deserved or not, by someone else. In present time ( and even for a good while now even parental spanking can be called into question in the real world. Adult spanking (which I prefer but do not write about exclusively ) is certainly an issue of acceptance in a world where it is very easy and even expected to say 'no' to such treatment.

In this arena, once a person realizes they need and should be spanked, and recognizes the dominance and authority of another, I sort of like when that dominant authority is a bit guiltless at being "in charge", even spanking "just because they can".

No offense to anyone here, but the endless spanking situations where some non-kinky miscreant is spanked for misbehavior by some inescapable authority figure start to feel like porn movies where any flimsy encounter is enough to provide the basis for wild sex. How many comeuppance stories can one read without getting bored?

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#17 | Posted: 26 Nov 2014 01:10
kdpierre: No offense to anyone here, but the endless spanking situations where some non-kinky miscreant is spanked for misbehavior by some inescapable authority figure start to feel like porn movies where any flimsy encounter is enough to provide the basis for wild sex. How many comeuppance stories can one read without getting bored?


That's like saying, "How many stories can you read where a villain does wrong and the hero gets them?" Disciplinary spanking is a just a twist on the basic metaphoric structure of your standard heroic/quest plot, as are its derivations. Structurally, every plot has been told billions of times and spanking, kinky or otherwise, is no different.

kdpierre
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#18 | Posted: 26 Nov 2014 01:40
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It's exactly like saying that. That's why there are popular stories like "No Country for Old Men" or even the "Hannibal" series. It's unrealistic and boring for justice to always inevitably triumph. And spanking stories need not have anything to do with heroic/quest plots. They can be nothing more than studies of why and how people do this crazy thing and wrap their heads around the roles they are in.

But to each their own.

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#19 | Posted: 26 Nov 2014 04:37
The point is that all structure is repetitive if you've read enough stories. Calling one more "boring" than the other as an objective measure of its uniqueness paints a false dichotomy. Each structure is the foundation for literally millions of stories, whether justice prevails or falls short.

As I alluded to in my first post, it's not so much the structure, but the potential and potential pitfalls it presents to the writer. I discussed ways in which an "injustice" story can either be compelling(subjectively, for me) or banal(imo).

While the original question is subjective, I think there's an interesting discussion as to why people have those preferences, rather than just assigning synonyms for personal taste. Unfairness changes the meaning of the spanking itself in a profound way. Usually a spanking is about discipline, punishment, or pleasure, but unjust spankings are something else entirely.

I'm not sure what, but some people's answers are illuminating.

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#20 | Posted: 26 Nov 2014 06:12
I like dialogue between characters just the way people talk to one another. I mix it in with the descriptive data here and there so that the characters tell the story as well as the author. It breaks up the monotony of it becoming the same old same old that is discussed here. It's only the same old thing if the author lets it be the same old thing. There's always going to be someone cruel, someone sneaky, someone who is a bully towards either gender, but it has to be told in a way that one doesn't get 'bored' as said, with it. I very seldom get bored in the LSF with stories.

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