Where are the boys?

I read some years ago that the majority of male spankos are submissive, and that the majority of females are submissive too. That leaves a supply and demand difficulty, perhaps alleviated by professional doms of both sexes.

During my exploration of internet spanking over recent years, I have encountered countless young women and girls taking the submissive role in films, to both male and female doms. Great, of course. What I have not seen is the complement: young males as subs. There are a comparative few f/m films, but the m is almost always middle-aged or more.

Why can't young men be recruited in the same way as girls? Is it lack of commercial demand? The above comments on orientations suggest not. The sub males must like mother/aunt and boy scenarios, and many women must be attracted as well.

I invite thought and comment on this seeming anomaly.

Starting with your very first line, I think our opinions diverge. And even if what you write were true, it would probably be an oversimplification. It comes down to the old "Nature-Nurture" thing. Males in most cultures are cued from the very beginning of their lives that they are supposed to be dominant, and that cultural influence is very strong and very basic. So therefore, most of us males grow up to at least lean towards a dominant outlook on life.

Also, Submissive vs Dominant aren't simple boxes to be checked! Us humans aren't nearly that simple to figure out. Instead, it's probably better to think of "Submissive" and "Dominant" as defining the ends of a continuum. Few of us are exclusively one or the other, but we all fit somewhere on that sliding scale. Naturally a true switch would occupy some space near the middle.

Always dangerous to generalise, of course - but from my own acquaintance in the scene, and from watching what goes on at spanking parties, etc, I'd guess that at least 75% of spanko males are dominant, and maybe another 5% switch; females roughly the reverse, with perhaps a slightly higher percentage switching. Totally agree with Guy that a lot of it's the result of cultural conditioning.

I agree, culture plays a big part in this.

Well, I can't remember where I read the report, or what sort of thing it was, so I have placed no reliance on it; but wondered.
Yes, d/s is a continuum, but I suspect the bulk of people cluster at the ends.
I would not go as far as you blokes in ascribing these orientations to culture. It must have an influence, but by no means the whole.

My real question was about the films.

There does seem to be a distinct dearth of "bottom" young men in spanking videos. As you say, many, if not most seem to be middle-aged or older. There are a few however. Most of the submissive young men I've seen in photo sets and in videos are in M/m videos and most of those are from gay male sites. There's plenty of them but again, F/m spanking videos don't often feature younger men or even those "young" enough to appear as even teenage boys (for obvious reasons) and, like the ones featuring supposedly younger girls, many of them kind of ruin it with multiple tattoos, even "tramp stamps", the kind most people supposedly that age would be unlikely to have. I suppose one might contact some of the producers of the kind of content you prefer and ask them to "recruit" more "boyish" looking subs. And as an aside, personally I would prefer somewhat older female spankers for that type of scenario too, i.e. mother/son, aunt/nephew, teacher/student, even stern female cop or judge/young male miscreant. Don't get me started...

Blackbirch, you're right, d/s leanings are more innate than cultural. According to A Billion Wicked Thoughts (Ogas and Gaddam, 2011) and its original reference articles, most (80-90%) straight men are naturally dominant, most (85-95%) straight women are naturally submissive. Also, about 90% of men are kinky, but only about 15% of women are, so that's a problem. These numbers bear up across countries, apparently, as far as they've been able to test.

There's not much research out there on kink, so your original question is difficult to answer, but here are my guesses:

Why is there way more m/f out there?
- The vast majority of people who watch straight kink videos online are men (see figures above on kink...)
- The majority of the makers of kink videos are men
- So the vast majority of straight kink films will feature dominant men (cuz 90%) and young women and girls (cuz men like pretty young women), because it's made for a majority male market.

The other part of your question (why no videos with older-ish F and young M?), beats me. There's craploads in gay porn (20-year-olds getting spanked by 40- and 50-year-olds, that is), but nearly none in straight porn. Why? Dunno. Most women don't want it filmed and put online, maybe? Why not? Dunno. (I mean, I know why I don't, but I don't know what anyone else's reasons are.)

Overall, if I ever HAD to film anything - don't want to, but if I had to - and had a choice between appearing in a video as a sub or as a dom, I'd pick as a sub every time. Not quite sure why.

Burgundy, I own and have read "A Billion Wicked Thoughts". Obviously I need to read it again! One thing I do remember reading (but not where) is that CP is the only fetish (kink) with reasonable equal numbers of males and females. All the others are overwhelmingly male.

What is gratifying in the films available is the large proportion of f/f examples. That is my favourite, as I always feel m/f is a little bullying. That's my emotional response, not a reasoned conclusion.

I am not particularly into f/m, but can find appeal in the mother/aunt boy scene - IF the woman is of the right mature, imperious and strong kind, and the man is credibly young. The woman is the important one for me.

Re reliable statistics - always very difficult. There are clues to numbers, though, in the comments on films in some sites. Some types of cp films have a reasonable proportion of female commenters - if their sex has been given honestly!!

One knows the saying that goes something like ... 'there are statistics ...and there are lies...problem is telling them apart'

I find it rather funny to read most men say they are dominant. That is our culture speaking out as many men would fear saying anything but that. I would agree that many men are Dom's, but I also know some who claim to be that way in public, but in private and to the people they know, it is entirely the opposite. Same goes with women in general, many claim to be sub I expect because our culture says that they should be in order to attract a man. (Not speaking of women's lib issues here by the way which is a different subject all together.)


Where are the boys? I would imagine a young man would be very hesitant about putting himself out there as a sub for fear of what would be said about him in public. Could be he would hear ... "he must be gay" .... or perhaps ... "not any man I would want around me".

Not saying the stats are wrong entirely, but I suspects if true feelings came out the real figures would be around 60% Dom's, 15% Subs and 25% Switches. Just my guesses from what I have experienced.

Sounds a little low to me...