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opb
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#11 | Posted: 13 Dec 2011 09:03
I think the difference here is that it's just so easy to copy and paste things from the internet. Far more so than with paper based material. Some authors have found their work cross-posted by someone else, unbeknownst to them, onto a site they wouldn't want their work to appear on.

I once posted 2 pieces onto another site at the suggestion of a well known spanking author, and afterwards became very uneasy that I'd done so as much of the other material on the site was rather unpleasant to my taste, and I felt my stories to be a bit tainted by association. If someone else had done it I would have been affronted.

The site Spanking Classics which many here will be familiar with was originally open access, but some folk were copying and cross posting stories without permission, so the story board sections were then made accessible only to members. It doesn't stop the practice, but at least you can be banned.

tiptopper
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#12 | Posted: 14 Dec 2011 02:37
opb,

Once you give something away the recipient can use it in any way that they like unless you have a written agreement with them to the contrary. Even when you sell something you lose control of it. For example, Apple tries to restrict the use of it's products but in recent court cases it has been ruled that they cannot. If you sell or give away a chainsaw you can't restrict the person who now has it to cutting down only those trees that you want them to.

You can, of course, copyright written material but you have to go through the legal procedure to do that. Simply saying that it is copyrighted doesn't make it copyrighted. And even with legally copyrighted material anyone can copy it for personal use as long as there is no commercial usage.

Februs
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#13 | Posted: 14 Dec 2011 04:10
tiptopper:
Once you give something away the recipient can use it in any way that they like unless you have a written agreement with them to the contrary.

tiptopper:
You can, of course, copyright written material but you have to go through the legal procedure to do that. Simply saying that it is copyrighted doesn't make it copyrighted.

This isn't correct. See: http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html

Goodgulf
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#14 | Posted: 14 Dec 2011 04:53
Getting back to the topic that started this thread, here's a suggestion:

Head to one of the support boards for your favourite tablet. Let them know (without mentioning names) that there's a site that just isn't working for you and that you've been told that it's because you have a scaled down browser on your tablet.

Then ask if anyone knows a fix for this problem.

You see, I'm sure that this isn't the only script heavy website in the world. That others run into this problem while surfing on more mainstream sites. Odds are people will be able to suggest workarounds - or might point you to a patch that you can download.

Then again, that is something that makes sense and we're talking about computers - so I might be completely off base. If someone does try this, then I'd be interested in hearing if there is a workaround that people can use.

Goodgulf

tiptopper
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#15 | Posted: 14 Dec 2011 07:33
Februs:
This isn't correct.

Being old school I assumed that the previous rules still applied. However, as I understand it, making copies for private use is still allowed.

Goodgulf
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#16 | Posted: 14 Dec 2011 17:07
The old rules only apply to old writing - which is why copyright is such a messed up field. For example, if something was written in 1976 then you have to look at the copyright laws of the country it was written in AND how your country interpreted those laws.

Under the Borne Convention those decisions are (mostly) a thing of the past - at least in regarding writing. When you look at other things there are still differences. For example: there are many Elvis Presley recordings that are protected by law in the US and public domain in Britain.

But while virtually everything written today (including this message) is copyrighted, what you have to focus on is the terms of use. If I added wording like:
"This message is not to be copied in any way"
to this message I'm explicitly telling you "don't download this message" and (legally) you wouldn't be able. Of course since the police don't get involved in petty copyright cases I'd have to notice that you ignored my terms of license and go after you myself by hiring a lawyer - which something that some idiots... I mean "some people" actually do over emails and posts. Personally I think that they have too much time on their hands, but they have a legal right to do it.

And all copyrights come with terms of use that vary depending on the circumstances. For example, if you look at the copyright information on the average book you'll see that you're not allowed to lend it to anyone, rent it out, or sell it to a second handbook store.

So what are the "standard" terms of use for the internet? It varies depending on the circumstances. That link that Februs posted gives you a good idea of the practical limits and usages of copyright. It's good reading.

Goodgulf

rollin
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#17 | Posted: 14 Dec 2011 17:50
tiptopper:
making copies for private use is still allowed.

Technically it's still copyright infringement, but the affirmative defense of fair use might apply. Making copies for further distribution is not fair use.

Copyright in a work exists from the moment a work is fixed in a tangible medium of expression. The right to enforce that copyright in the US requires registration, as does the right to collect attorney's fees and statuatory damages. Otherwise you pay for your own lawyer and must prove actual damages.

Templeton's article is pretty accurate.

tiptopper
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#18 | Posted: 16 Dec 2011 00:26
The problem with any of these laws and regulations is enforcement. Putting anything out on the internet, including this message, is like opening a cage of wild birds and watching them fly in all directions. It is impossible to round them up later. With 7 billion people on the planet, many of whom have internet access, enforcing any kind of rules is extremely difficult. How do you keep somebody in, say Kenya, from downloading something or even sharing it with his friends? There are many laws that are good in theory but are totally inpractical to enforce.

It reminds me of a story about Abraham Lincoln. One time when Lincoln was president some men came to see him. They wanted a particular law passed. Lincoln told them that although the law wasn't bad it could not be enforced. They kept pressing him to get it passed it anyway.

Finally he asked them, "Gentlemen, how many legs does a sheep have if we call the tail a leg?"

They replied, "Well if we call the tail a leg then it has 5 legs."

Lincoln said, "No, the sheep still has 4 legs. Calling the tail a leg doesn't make it one."

His point was that a law that couldn't be enforced was not really a law at all, just words on a piece of paper.

Many of these laws trying to regulate the internet are only enforceable against commercial organizations and only then if those organizations exist in countries that are willing to cooperate. The internet is mostly free and unregulated. Frankly I like it like that.

Guy
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#19 | Posted: 16 Dec 2011 00:47
tiptopper:
Many of these laws trying to regulate the internet are only enforceable against commercial organizations and only then if

Tell that to the thousands of people who got robo-sued because somebody with access to their Internet account allegedly downloaded a "bait" copyrighted porno file. There are some really nasty folks out there who are using copyright law to legally fleece people of thousands of dollars/pounds.

Goodgulf
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#20 | Posted: 16 Dec 2011 02:05
tiptopper:
The problem with any of these laws and regulations is enforcement.

The problem with any law is enforcement. When it comes to small scale things copyright is generally a civil matter. If I print twenty thousand copies of a Harry Potter book then the police might get involved, but if I decide to repost someone elses work under my name (which has happened to me) then it's up to the author to do some.

Yes, I have seen some of the stories I've written on sites under other people's names. Whenever that has happened I've pointed it out, and if that doesn't get the pirate to respond I contact the site's owner and send him a link to a version of the work posted earlier on a different board. So far that has worked, but if it doesn't then I'd have to fake a legal looking letter... Um, I mean hire a lawyer to send a letter threatening to sue if it's not taken down.

Point is - I "legally" own my own work but it's up to me to enforce my ownership rights. And if I spend money on a lawyer to do that then it's not likely that I'd be able to get my legal fees by suing the pirate.

Goodgulf

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